Use of snares, of any kind, should be made illegal. There is really no good reason for their continued use in this day and age, in my opinion.
http://www.woodland-trust.org.uk/campaigns/briefingsmore/snares.htm
http://www.woodland-trust.org.uk/campaigns/briefingsmore/snares.htm
http://www.vet-wildlifemanagement.org.uk/hunting-with-hounds/the_welfare_case_for_hunting.html
There are some interesting articles here relating to the Veterinary Opinion on hunting with hounds.
There are some interesting articles here relating to the Veterinary Opinion on hunting with hounds.
That's exactly why people should be aware that contrary to popular belief, it's been scientifically proven that not all foxes are killed outright by a "nip" to the back of the neck.
And here's another view......
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/jun/11/hunting.ruralaffairs
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But the post-mortem of the fox found it had suffered from multiple bite wounds on the face and the top of the head, damage to the right eye, and bite wounds round the throat.
In both cases where the fox was killed above ground by hounds, evidence was found of 'profound trauma'. In neither case was there major damage around the head or neck, as pro-hunt supporters claimed. The post-mortems showed the foxes had been attacked around the rib cage with the heart, lungs and stomach bitten. Morton said: 'In one case, the fox probably died from suffocation which might have taken several seconds, and in the other, where the heart was severely damaged, it looks the fox would have been attacked while upside down or on its side.'
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Therefore I don't think you should you condem something as "rubbish" unless you have evidence to prove it.
For instance, when a child is chased and bitten by a dog, would they scream and cry due to the adrenaline rush or because they are petrified and in pain?
I have been chased and bitten by a dog and felt no pain until later as i went into a state of shock partly due to the release of andrenaline. I lost the tip of my index finger which was thankfully retrieved and re attatched but explains my sometimes odd spelling as it is a little stiff for typing!
I believe there is more evidence to prove that adrenaline is released in a stressful situation and the same adrenaline can act as a pain suppressor than there is to prove that foxes caught by hound suffer an agonisingly painful end, hence you shouldn't condem my evidence as rubbish! Do you have evidence to prove that all foxes killed by hounds are suffering in agony? If not why not take a look at some journals and educate yourself!
No I havent!!!!! The hunt near me (and obviously others reading these posts) regularly go where they want, they block the road so you can't get past and they show no respect! My friend successfully sued them for wrecking some of her land and fences when she refused permission for them to ride on her land - they went ahead and did it anyway.
The hunt can be prepared against through good communication and organization.
I have not seen a fox give us a yearly schedule of the hen houses they are going to hit!
As I say totally impossible to compare them and trying to justify an argument like that is clutching at straws
Not clutching at straws, I am asking why the lamb/hen owners shouldn't be responsible for their own animals when the horse who is upset by the hunt is the fault of the owner????????? One post even suggested building higher fences, well why can't the lamb/fox owners be responsible for their animals????
Do you have any suggestions on how to keep poultry and livestock safe?
If you have any you owt to publish them as this killing by foxes has been going on for hundreds of years.
I don't need to because I don't chose to keep them. If I did, however, I would take full responsibility to keep them safe
Forgive me for digressing but i thought that under the hunting act 2004 it was actually illegal anyway???
As far as I’m aware I haven’t condemned anything you’ve posted on this thread as being rubbish.
Neither have I ever suggested that EVERY fox caught by hounds suffers an agonising death. What I have stated (and will state again) is “there's scientific proof that hounds do not kill every fox by a quick "nip" to the back of the neck...SOME foxes do suffer an agonising death”.
And yes, I do have the evidence to prove this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/jun/11/hunting.ruralaffairs
http://www.defra.gov.uk/rural/hunting/inquiry/mainsections/research/postmortem.htm
I'm quite well educated on this subject already thank you.
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All im asking is do you have any suggestions on how to keep hens,lambs etc safe.You reckon to be an animal lover,so get off your high horse and help save thousands of hens and lambs..........
Building a higher fence???
I would think most farmers would find it impossible to build 6 ft fences all around their fields.
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By shooting any fox that is causing a problem. Hunting with hounds is clearly irrelevant to this issue when you have hunts conserving foxes for sport, whether actively or with the tacit cooperation of local landowners who don't shoot them.
As I mentioned earlier, one possible measure is to keep a couple of llamas with the flock. That has proved useful to at least one 'farmer':All im asking is do you have any suggestions on how to keep hens,lambs etc safe.You reckon to be an animal lover,so get off your high horse and help save thousands of hens and lambs..........
Building a higher fence???
I would think most farmers would find it impossible to build 6 ft fences all around their fields.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/7448038.stm
All im asking is do you have any suggestions on how to keep hens,lambs etc safe.You reckon to be an animal lover,so get off your high horse and help save thousands of hens and lambs..........
Building a higher fence???
I would think most farmers would find it impossible to build 6 ft fences all around their fields.
Actually Hegehunter in my part of the world the sheep farmers don't allow the hunt on thier land as they quite often have heavily pregnant ewes out at the peak of the season, they shoot thier problem foxes instead.
It is the beef and dairy farmers whose stock is in all winter who are more actively supportive of hunting as thier fields are empty for the hunt, they are also the ones least likely to loose stock to the fox.
I keep poultry and pigs, the poultry are free range but they are shut in before dusk and I've never had any casualties in 12 years apart from hens who have chosen to roost elsewhere. However I have lost very young piglets, I now don't seperate the sows from the boar pen, but keep them enclosed in their own ark and the boar keeps the fox away, so for me foxes aren't a big problem, deer are actually more damaging to my orchard than foxes to my livestock!
Agree, with Hedgehunter, because that doesn't provide people with jobs nor keep the population of vermin down. It's also not the same as galloping cross the countryside and having fun with your horse. Besides which I'm sure a majority of people who go out hunting don't go just because you "get to kill something."
Not really a massively mature response, people who don't like horse riding could just say why don't we just play a horse computer game. I'm sure we'd all be up in arms about that, because it's just not the same, and that's not the point of it!
Same thing here!
Also, I don't think any of the pro hunters have just implied that the hunt is purely about the control of fox numbers, it's also about the fun of the hunt surely?
id personaly find much more enjoyment in antisocial drug taking granny mugging larger lout hunting than fox hunting, we can always start a new tradition lol
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