The stupid hunt ....

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who said I was a fox hunter? I am niether pro nor anti, but I do believe that the ban is a stupid piece of legislation that serves no real purpose, and I also believe that unless you are informed and can construct a rational argument sarcastic comments and nit picking will endear you to no-one.
And that goes for pros and antis alike!!!!!
 
LOL!!! ;) none of us lot will ever agree but I bear no ill will personally to anyone on here... although I think this thread is going in ever decreasing circles and will soon disappear up it's own bottom... pop!! :)
 
zizz said:
who said I was a fox hunter? I am niether pro nor anti, but I do believe that the ban is a stupid piece of legislation that serves no real purpose, and I also believe that unless you are informed and can construct a rational argument sarcastic comments and nit picking will endear you to no-one.
And that goes for pros and antis alike!!!!!
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I agree!

I am neither pro nor anti, but do strongly believe that way too much time, effort and tax payers money was wasted on debating and pushing all this through.

Some legislation about some of our stupidly intensive farming techniques (millions of chickens spring to mind :rolleyes: ) might have been a better use of resources!
 
spamchops said:
LOL!!! ;) none of us lot will ever agree but I bear no ill will personally to anyone on here... although I think this thread is going in ever decreasing circles and will soon disappear up it's own bottom... pop!! :)
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I hope it does soon, but peeps just can't resist......:)
 
ameliet1971 said:
I'd be interested to read about that zizz, can you post a link to this evidence?:)
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There are plenty of medical journals you can access yourself through google scholar. I believe adrenaline is also being adminstered regularly as an analgesic after major thoratic and abdominal surgery.
 
zizz said:
who said I was a fox hunter? I am niether pro nor anti, but I do believe that the ban is a stupid piece of legislation that serves no real purpose, and I also believe that unless you are informed and can construct a rational argument sarcastic comments and nit picking will endear you to no-one.
And that goes for pros and antis alike!!!!!
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Dont know???? Why,who did say you were a fox hunter?
 
There are plenty of medical journals you can access yourself through google scholar. I believe adrenaline is also being adminstered regularly as an analgesic after major thoratic and abdominal surgery.
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That's as may be but I really don't see how it can be used to justify this particular bloodsport. You could extend that logic to justify all kinds of cruelty.

As to whether the legislation should have been passed, then yes it should, plenty of people feel strongly about the principles involved and we live in a democracy. Was the law good enough? I don't think so, what we have now is a bit of a fudge, a ban should have meant a ban. I notice the end of the world for the rural way of life and economy predicted by the pro lobby has singularly failed to materialise either.

Sarcastic comments like that are what causes pathetic rows on here.
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:D
 
ameliet1971 said:
I'm aware of that, but it's in reference to an animal (or human) being chased that interests me.:)
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Adrenaline is released when the fight or flight complex takes over, as in being scared or frightened, in times of stress, being chased etc... Therefore it is resonable to assume that the journals about the analgesic properties of adrenaline would also apply to a human (or animal) when being chased, as adrenaline would be released at this time.
 
hedgehunter78 said:
Dont know???? Why,who did say you were a fox hunter?
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I believe it was spamchops in reply to my post who said

Oh, well that makes it all ok then, can I lop off the legs of a few foxhunters then? You won't feel a thing....

very constructive to the disscussion:rolleyes:
 
Yann said:
That's as may be but I really don't see how it can be used to justify this particular bloodsport. You could extend that logic to justify all kinds of cruelty.
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As I have stated I am niether Anti nor Pro hunting, I was just arguing against a previous point, not trying to justify hunting in any way

Yann said:
As to whether the legislation should have been passed, then yes it should, plenty of people feel strongly about the principles involved and we live in a democracy.
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Actually I think the majority of the british public couldn't give a fig! And the majority of the rural population which are directly affected by hunting are in my exeriance pro hunting.

Yann said:
Was the law good enough? I don't think so, what we have now is a bit of a fudge, a ban should have meant a ban.
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I agree the law is an ass, it was labours way of trying to ban hunting without infringing human rights by allowing it to carry on because of all the bloody loopholes. However it now means I should be arrested for letting my three dogs chase a deer accross my field because I am 'Hunting' never mind that a small jack russel and two rather podgy labs haven't got a hope in hell of ever catching it!

Yann said:
I notice the end of the world for the rural way of life and economy predicted by the pro lobby has singularly failed to materialise either.
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I think this is because most packs are continuing to hunt!
 
zizz said:
Adrenaline is released when the fight or flight complex takes over, as in being scared or frightened, in times of stress, being chased etc... Therefore it is resonable to assume that the journals about the analgesic properties of adrenaline would also apply to a human (or animal) when being chased, as adrenaline would be released at this time.
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But is there any scientific evidence to actually prove an animal doesn't feel pain when it's bought down and killed by a predator or a pack of hounds?
 
zizz said:
Therefore it is resonable to assume that the journals about the analgesic properties of adrenaline would also apply to a human (or animal) when being chased, as adrenaline would be released at this time.
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Never assume anything. It makes an ass out of u and me :D
 
ameliet1971 said:
But is there any scientific evidence to actually prove an animal doesn't feel pain when it's bought down and killed by a predator or a pack of hounds?
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Lets use some common sense, I think that evidence would be very hard to collect don't you?:p How do you prove a wild animal is in pain, when the pain and stress responses are so similar? How do you simulate hunting a fox and let it be killed by hounds when hunting is banned?
However there is evidence that mammals have the same resposes from the sympathetic nervous system in times of stress, and that the reaction to adrenaline is the same in humans as it is in other mammals.

Rhien unfortunately 99.9% of science is based on assumption. We can only try to prove beyond reasonable doubt, but how do you define fact? THe big bang theory is still a THEORY based upon assumptions.
 
ameliet1971 said:
Your welcome to your opinion, but in my experience of living and working in the rural environment, the majority of farmers and small holders support the hunting ban.
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Come and live where I do, I nearly commited social suicide for refusing to buy a countryside alliance badge a few years ago:D
 
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