Coronavirus

My logic is simply that the only way we get on top of the virus and to limit its opportunity to mutate is to vaccinate those people who HAVE to work and travel on public transport. Shielders shouldn't be out and about anyway!

But that assumes the vaccination reduces the spread - if it doesn't then vaccinating as they are doing is better - maybe that means they are not confident that the vaccine stops spreading?

Interesting to see the average age of those in intensive care is now just 51! Also that the majority of people are construction workers and commuters - not the elderly.
 
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Someone on the radio this morning said the that now believe that having had it protects more than the vaccine. The theories change daily (I say theories, because the experts don't seem to know much more than we do). Hey ho.
 
My mums had her jab today. She was given it and had to wait 15 minutes before she was allowed to leave. They havent given out all the side effects in the media though. She was told before being given it, you might have this, or that blah blah. Guess different people are having different side effects.

My neighbour who is a builder said they are now talking of closing down construction workers from next week. Yet to be decided.
 
My mums had her jab today. She was given it and had to wait 15 minutes before she was allowed to leave. They havent given out all the side effects in the media though. She was told before being given it, you might have this, or that blah blah. Guess different people are having different side effects.

My neighbour who is a builder said they are now talking of closing down construction workers from next week. Yet to be decided.
It is pretty normal to wait 15 minutes after any jab. Long ago after a flu jab I left straight away and became quite shakey after walking to the high street.
 
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My mums never been held when having a flu vaccination. There usually putting you through like your on a conveyor belt. They even wrote on the paperwork they handed her what time she was allowed to leave.
 
My mums never been held when having a flu vaccination. There usually putting you through like your on a conveyor belt. They even wrote on the paperwork they handed her what time she was allowed to leave.

Same here, the flu jab clinic this year was amazing but no waiting around afterwards. Queue outside the sport hall at a social distance - marshals checking - then when you were called forward you had your temperature checked outside, sent to be checked off the list (they were only doing over 65s and vulnerables at that point), sent to the right booth for the version of vaccine you were getting, then straight out through the backdoors where again there was a marshal to check no one lingered for a chat. While it was very impersonal, normally anything like that tends to turn into a social gathering in the village, I found it felt safer than I was expecting and it reassured me about how the Covid jabs will be handled.
 
I would imagine the 15 minutes is to allow for allergic reactions to show. No one has ever had this jab before so if you are allergic you perhaps wouldn't know about it until you were on the way home otherwise
 
A doctor in this state lost his License for continuing to practice IN PERSON..
knowingly being positive..

I hope this guy never gets it back.

How awful for his patients.
You put trust in your doctor.

Its bad enough when normal people do stupid unsafe things.
 
I am always asked to wait at least 30 minutes after a jab of any sort. I have had strange reactions to numerous things in the past and it makes me even more nervous of injections. Last time I had injections at the dentist my heart started beating so fast I thought it was going to jump right out of my body, it was really horrible and if it wasn't for my dentist being so calm and reassuring I would have had a full blown panic attack. They now give me a different kind of drug but it is always a cautious few minutes while we wait to see how I react.

I'm not an 'anti-vac' person by any means. Of course I know how important the covid jab is. My children all have their injections and having caught mumps about 7 years ago, I do know all about infectious diseases and how horrible they can be. But all this talk about people being selfish (and much worse) if they choose not to have the covid jab gets to me. I still have control over my body and what goes into it, or at least I should have. The pressure to be jabbed (and I say that quite deliberately because to me it feels like an attack) is huge and it actually causes me real anxiety. In this world when we are all supposed to 'be kind' to each other, it seems that only counts when someone complies with your way of thinking. I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular, but perhaps for some people like me, having 'the jab' isn't quite as straightforward as it may be for you.
 
I'm totally biased but one of the issues was that shielding was 'temporarily paused' through much of the Summer, despite the risk being still very real. People like my OH could have been expected to still travel to work, work in an office or do the supermarket shop in that time despite being much, much more likely to die from it.

I know people who had to go to work every day, despite knowing it will likely kill them just to pay the bills that month.

My OH is shielding but still worked a few hours from home. We are incredibly fortunate that I'm the main earner and we don't rely on my OH's salary at all - without wanting to sound condescending, he works literally a couple of hours to give himself a sense of purpose, a sense of routine plus the chance for some work banter. Again, I stress we are very fortunate that we are in a position that if the CV risks get too much or in non CV times, it got too much for his health he packs it in immediately. That was always our pact (I was anti him working initially) but there are a lot of people who aren't able to do that and rely on that shielding person's salary.

Shielding doesn't actually extend to me either - again, I'm incredibly fortunate that I can work from home, manage my own work and risks but also, that I have an incredibly understanding boss who sent me home in March and told me I was under no circumstances to return to either our office or client's until it was safe.

But, imagine if I didn't? If I was still having to use public transport or worked in a supermarket or pharmacy or anywhere similiar. The risk to my OH would be so, so high.

It's been hard enough to cope with day to day shielding for 11 months without the 'fun' of trying to balance picking up prescriptions (my OH takes over a hundred tablets a day and does over 6 hours of treatments so we can't stockpile more than a few months worth ...)..We unfortunately don't get all his treatment and medication from one place. Some we have to go to the city for - normally it's delivered but CV has even affected the delivery at times.To take delivery of certain drugs, I needed to be approved - which took extra time because, you guessed it, people were off with CV! So my OH had to go. And even when I was approved (oh, the power ...!!), logistically, some weeks I work 50 hours plus without the headache of fitting in a few hours to travel.

It's also not just about leaving the house. In the summer, we had to call an ambulance after a routine test as part of his ongoing treatment. Now, I'm pretty unflappable generally and used to stress. I even have a laminated list of 'stuff' I would need to tell a medical professional in the event of an emergency but I never want to be in a position again of being responsible for making the decision of involving the paramedics knowing it might kill him in the midst of a medical emergency. We got lucky, he was fine on both counts but it could have so easily been a different story.

It's been incredibly hard for so many people, shielders or not, but shielding is so much more complex than it first appears. And certainly more complicated than 'they shouldn't be out'.

I want the vaccination as soon as possible - but I'd happily wait longer, if it meant a vulnerable/ shielding person could get their vaccination first.

But, I do appreciate I'm completely biased and I'd probably have an entirely different view if I hadn't experienced what I have and the complexities of it first hand.
 
I am always asked to wait at least 30 minutes after a jab of any sort. I have had strange reactions to numerous things in the past and it makes me even more nervous of injections. Last time I had injections at the dentist my heart started beating so fast I thought it was going to jump right out of my body, it was really horrible and if it wasn't for my dentist being so calm and reassuring I would have had a full blown panic attack. They now give me a different kind of drug but it is always a cautious few minutes while we wait to see how I react.

I'm not an 'anti-vac' person by any means. Of course I know how important the covid jab is. My children all have their injections and having caught mumps about 7 years ago, I do know all about infectious diseases and how horrible they can be. But all this talk about people being selfish (and much worse) if they choose not to have the covid jab gets to me. I still have control over my body and what goes into it, or at least I should have. The pressure to be jabbed (and I say that quite deliberately because to me it feels like an attack) is huge and it actually causes me real anxiety. In this world when we are all supposed to 'be kind' to each other, it seems that only counts when someone complies with your way of thinking. I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular, but perhaps for some people like me, having 'the jab' isn't quite as straightforward as it may be for you.
I'm really sorry you're experiencing anxiety over the vaccination.

You have to do what is right for you, especially if you have a history but I can appreciate how hard it can be when other people appear to be judging.
 
I wont be called for some time to have mine, but im already anxious about having it. I have a needle phobia. Says me who has to give injections to my animals at times. I get panicky if i dont get it into them the first time because theyve moved, or the needles blunt and there skin is tougher than expected.

I had to be carried out of the surgery by two people one time after going for a blood test. So i really need to get it over and done with rather than waiting around for the next lord knows how many months to stress.
 
I also have a needle phobia..
If I get a shot or blood taken ..I cant see the needle..but like you I can give the animals shots if needed.

California is destroying whats left of a batch of 330 thousand doses for much higher allergic reactions.


Also i guess this is country wide..they were not specific.. but many people are not showing up for the second doses.

Thats scary ..
 
@horseandgoatmom I wonder why they're not showing up? Could it be they think they have a sufficient degree of protection from the first jab so why bother with the second? Or problems after the first dose? I would hope someone is at least chasing up for a reason.
 
To be fair according to the figures released even one jab gives a far higher level of protection than, say, the flu jab and so people may think that's enough for them. Over here a lot of people have had the second dose delayed since it's felt that the increased level of protection given by the second jab is less important than giving the first jab to more people. Also do you have to pay for it over there, if you do that might be a factor.
 
As far as i know. So far no one is being charged to be vaccinated.

Testing is all over the place.
Some testing is free .. some people are being charged.

There are even order online home kits being advertised.
I think those are thru private companies and cost about $100.00 or so

There are a million vaccine scams floating around to get put higher on the vaccine list and even some saying you can order the vaccine and have it sent to your house.

Eligible people are getting contact info to make appointments for the vaccine then handing the info off to others that are not eligible yet...and they are making appointments causing eligible people to not be able to get one.
 
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